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Iknowwecanmakeit on
>I’m not going to sit here and appeal to your sense of patriotism, because we’ve all tried that already, and it’s like trying to reason an alcoholic out of drinking. I get that you’re afraid of Trump’s nationalist movement, afraid of primary challenges in your districts, still selling yourselves on the dubious idea that Trump represents the restoration of conservative values, rather than a grotesque perversion of them.
>You’re not going to do the right thing because it’s right, and I’m not going keep pushing that particular boulder up a hill.
>Instead, I will appeal to your self-interest. Because if we’re clear-eyed and mercenary about this, you could be on the verge of a huge political opportunity — and clinging to Trump amid another constitutional crisis might be the only way to screw it up.
boxer_dogs_dance on
The Lincoln project ad featuring Sam Eliot makes this point effectively. It’s available on YouTube.
Mike_Pences_Mother on
>If Harris wins, the GOP would be sabotaging a bright future by not conceding that Trump lost.
Bright future? lmao
BlotchComics on
>If Harris wins, the GOP would be sabotaging a bright future by not conceding that Trump lost.
They do. They really do want to do this again.
The first time was just a practice run, this time they have a lot more MAGA “yes men” in congress and SCOTUS…
The_Hot_Stepper on
No rational person would want that again
But we are not dealing with rational people. There are maga cultists
Reviews-From-Me on
It’s so exhausting just thinking about 4 more years of Trump in power. The corruption, the nonstop temper tantrums about how unfair people are to him. The televised meetings that accomplish nothing but he spends half an hour going around the table making people say how great he is. The vitriol and racism, and taking credit for the economy that he has spent 4 years bashing, even though it’s the exact same.
mzieg on
> The 2026 midterms should be a walk in the park for [Republicans]. And by then, Trump will be 80 and a two-time loser; running again would be delusional, even for him. Republicans would be set up for a primary featuring new and younger voices, any one of whom would probably be favored to **unseat an incumbent who will have spent a combined 12 years running the executive branch.**
I don’t understand that 12yr bit. Who are we talking about?
Ut_Prosim on
I will never understand why they’d be willing to break everything forever to get four more years of a dude they don’t even like.
They’d be in such a much better position if he lost and could he some martyr they talked about without having to actually have him run anything.
After eight years of Democratic rule, a 2028 ticket of Haley / Youngkin would probably win 380 electoral votes. What is the rush?
The GOP needs a fiery metaphorical death and then, maybe, they can rise again as an actual opposition party instead of the political theater troupe they’ve been for most of my Gen X life.
guttanzer on
Three strikes and you’re out for the party?
Strike 1 – electing Trump in 2016.
Four tip 1 – Not voting to impeach and convict for extortion of Ukraine.
Strike 2 – Insurrection in 2020.
Foul tip 2 – Not voting to convict for instigating the 2020 insurrection.
Strike 3 – Insurrection in 2024?
And they’re OUT! Like the Confederacy, the Republican brand will be irredeemable. People are tired of all the drama and anxiety.
NewMidwest on
When was the last time you heard a Republican politician talk about how they would promote American prosperity?
America was built on the dream of a better life. Democrats, however imperfectly, want to follow that dream. Today’s Republicans don’t. All they talk about are scapegoats. Vote better, and help America do better.
aureanator on
>think
Bro, you already lost them at the first word.
cdoink on
You lost them at think.
CAESTULA on
There are no Republicans who will read this. Seriously, they are all in their own batshit insane reality.
FBstolemyshitposts on
I’d they thought critically, they wouldn’t be Republicans 😂
EpicLearn on
You lost them at “think”.
splycedaddy on
You have to understand with republicans its much more important to stop the blacks, browns and gays than literally anything else.
Even if they knew electing trump would result in their immediate demise, they would first ask, “did all the browns get kicks out and all the gays get jailed? Worth it”
Am_Deer on
The false narrative of claiming Trump won the election will go down as one of the dumbest notions in history. If it happens again I will hate to tell my grandkids how stupid people were during this time. People think they are right but will be remembered as idiots.
I choose to be on the right side of history. Not the one that 20 years from now is known as the Great Con Job.
astrozombie2012 on
They do
No_Clue_7894 on
The quiet voters will put Harris in. Consider:
Women in Kansas (in particular, but in Ohio, too) showed just how pissed off they are at their own republican men going as nuts as they have on abortion by putting abortion on the ballot.
Pretty much the ENTIRE female population of Kansas did that (solidly two thirds of the vote in a 2/3s red state!) and there is not a republican state anywhere where that sentiment is not on the minds of women.
That sh*t hits home, and every woman likely knows some friend or family member who has had to deal with it one way or another, often badly thanks to the outrageous arrogance of religious extremist MEN. None of them will argue with their men. None of them will admit to voting for Harris. ===> And then they will vote blue for her like maniacs on drugs.
There are also a lot of republicans who are NOT crazy, but have to visibly support Trump.
Some of those people have changed to Harris ** in public **, right? Well, think about how many of those people can’t say so out loud, but know without any doubt just how crazy, old, and demented DJT is.
They won’t say it out loud, but they also can’t vote for him. Maybe they will simply not vote, but that may be enough. They might even lie and tell their friends that they voted orange – but how much do I care as long as they figure it out?
Some people think his convictions and frauds and lies actually matter – hopefully that number is in the millions.
In total, on those two things alone, millions of women and millions of sane people will – 🤞- beat the crap out of that Orange F-ing Turd.
Robert Reich
[Over 60 billionaires have now publicly endorsed Trump, hosted a fundraiser for him, or contributed to Trump aligned PACs. Why are they rallying behind him? Tax cuts, mostly. But there’s more. The more Trump tears down democracy, the safer the oligarchy becomes. Be warned.](https://www.reddit.com/r/democrats/s/An5Zd5X9J6)
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[You Can Thank Donald Trump If You’re Feeling Poorer Today New IRS data show the wealthy grew even richer in the Trump years while the rest of us fell back. RESEARCH & COMMENTARY JUNE 08, 2021 by David Cay Johnston](http://inequality.org/research/trump-income-inequality/)
Richest 748 Americans’ Wealth Up 77% Since Cuts Passed, Tops $5 Trillion; Debt Caused by Trump Tax Cuts Now Used By GOP As Excuse to Cut Services
Atlusfox on
What gets me is that there are a lot of people who don’t realize they are not voting Republican. Its not Republican vs Democrat. Its Democrat vs Trumplican. A lot of folk don’t seem to notice that the current Republican party have been taken over by extremists that are not all that much like the image of what a Republican is they have in their heads.
I noticed that a lot of people who talk about voting for Trump list off some pretty vague stuff and if you listen to Trump a lot of the real stuff like promising a better economy is really vague. Saying you will do better, and actually talking about a plan are two different things. It really shows the man has no real plans beyond the specific extreme crap he talks about. Just ask a Trump voter, what his plans really are. Doing better, is not a reasonable answer because it means nothing.
Happy-go-lucky-37 on
You had me at “think”.
SmellsLikeBu11shit on
You lost them at ‘think’
MarcusQuintus on
Only every Republican elected since the 1990s has given us a recession.
I’m sure it’ll be fine this time though.
Dense_Desk_7550 on
They not only plan on doing it again, but this time with zero guardrails and without impunity.
There is no saving them from themselves. They have zero respect for others, and even more zero respect for themselves
Algorhythm74 on
This is the best message to send to Republicans that intend to vote for Trump.
Noooo, they very obviously want to go even farther. They won’t be reasoned with.
Niznack on
They do. Did you have to ask?
StrangeBedfellows on
No, but if you post that on r/republican you’ll be perma-banned because we gotta idolize this christian leader without question.
You can’t complain about first amendment rights either because the sub is purposefully built.
Republicans that vote for Trump because of Trump give such a bad name to the party that they need to rebrand, and the echo chamber of hate that is that sub trashed.
I guess you could replace the moderators with people who are thinking and useful to the larger political environment but then you’d have to find people willing to run what is obviously an underwear stain.
Republicans deserve a leader who isn’t … This.
JC2535 on
Remember, Remember the fifth of November.
The tangerine treasonous plot…
thatandtheother on
If corporations and wealthy elites weren’t supporting him it wouldn’t even be competitive. Money over everything.
beatmastapete on
im betting noone in their heart of hearts thinks an unending trump predsidency is good for anyone except trump
Someoneoverthere42 on
Yes. Yes, they do.
Lower-Grapefruit8807 on
Yeah man, they literally do.
river_city on
They really fucking do.
RainbowBullsOnParade on
Constantly asking republicans if they really really really want to do the things that they definitely want to do instead of basically ignoring them and spending 99% of your time and money energizing and mobilizing your base and any apathetic/non-voting liberals/progressive/youth voters who are on the sidelines is exactly why the democrats consistently underperform and why Harris’ numbers have been declining.
Put M4A on the platform TODAY. Stop appealing to fucking Dick Cheney voters TODAY. I can’t believe this has to be said
Super_Ranch_Dressing on
To answer the question proposed by the article title, yes. When he won the primary, this is exactly what they want.
GalumphingWithGlee on
>If Harris wins, the GOP would be sabotaging a bright future by not conceding that Trump lost.
Who are they kidding? Republicans have followed Trump too far down this path, even led him down the beginnings of it. It is too late for them to remove the MAGA blight they welcomed in. Though demographic shifts are far too slow and it’s hard to predict the timeline, and the Supreme Court will slow the process, they are a party in its dying throes, with or without Trump.
dallasdude on
Yea they do.
Trump will get a blanket pardon, immunity and a grift, and he’ll resign or they’ll invoke the 25th amendment.
And Peter thiels puppet Vance will push through the Project 25 agenda.
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>I’m not going to sit here and appeal to your sense of patriotism, because we’ve all tried that already, and it’s like trying to reason an alcoholic out of drinking. I get that you’re afraid of Trump’s nationalist movement, afraid of primary challenges in your districts, still selling yourselves on the dubious idea that Trump represents the restoration of conservative values, rather than a grotesque perversion of them.
>You’re not going to do the right thing because it’s right, and I’m not going keep pushing that particular boulder up a hill.
>Instead, I will appeal to your self-interest. Because if we’re clear-eyed and mercenary about this, you could be on the verge of a huge political opportunity — and clinging to Trump amid another constitutional crisis might be the only way to screw it up.
The Lincoln project ad featuring Sam Eliot makes this point effectively. It’s available on YouTube.
>If Harris wins, the GOP would be sabotaging a bright future by not conceding that Trump lost.
Bright future? lmao
>If Harris wins, the GOP would be sabotaging a bright future by not conceding that Trump lost.
They do. They really do want to do this again.
The first time was just a practice run, this time they have a lot more MAGA “yes men” in congress and SCOTUS…
No rational person would want that again
But we are not dealing with rational people. There are maga cultists
It’s so exhausting just thinking about 4 more years of Trump in power. The corruption, the nonstop temper tantrums about how unfair people are to him. The televised meetings that accomplish nothing but he spends half an hour going around the table making people say how great he is. The vitriol and racism, and taking credit for the economy that he has spent 4 years bashing, even though it’s the exact same.
> The 2026 midterms should be a walk in the park for [Republicans]. And by then, Trump will be 80 and a two-time loser; running again would be delusional, even for him. Republicans would be set up for a primary featuring new and younger voices, any one of whom would probably be favored to **unseat an incumbent who will have spent a combined 12 years running the executive branch.**
I don’t understand that 12yr bit. Who are we talking about?
I will never understand why they’d be willing to break everything forever to get four more years of a dude they don’t even like.
They’d be in such a much better position if he lost and could he some martyr they talked about without having to actually have him run anything.
After eight years of Democratic rule, a 2028 ticket of Haley / Youngkin would probably win 380 electoral votes. What is the rush?
Is it just a need for instant gratification?
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Hey Republicans ! Remember to vote on Jan. 5th ?
The GOP needs a fiery metaphorical death and then, maybe, they can rise again as an actual opposition party instead of the political theater troupe they’ve been for most of my Gen X life.
Three strikes and you’re out for the party?
Strike 1 – electing Trump in 2016.
Four tip 1 – Not voting to impeach and convict for extortion of Ukraine.
Strike 2 – Insurrection in 2020.
Foul tip 2 – Not voting to convict for instigating the 2020 insurrection.
Strike 3 – Insurrection in 2024?
And they’re OUT! Like the Confederacy, the Republican brand will be irredeemable. People are tired of all the drama and anxiety.
When was the last time you heard a Republican politician talk about how they would promote American prosperity?
America was built on the dream of a better life. Democrats, however imperfectly, want to follow that dream. Today’s Republicans don’t. All they talk about are scapegoats. Vote better, and help America do better.
>think
Bro, you already lost them at the first word.
You lost them at think.
There are no Republicans who will read this. Seriously, they are all in their own batshit insane reality.
I’d they thought critically, they wouldn’t be Republicans 😂
You lost them at “think”.
You have to understand with republicans its much more important to stop the blacks, browns and gays than literally anything else.
Even if they knew electing trump would result in their immediate demise, they would first ask, “did all the browns get kicks out and all the gays get jailed? Worth it”
The false narrative of claiming Trump won the election will go down as one of the dumbest notions in history. If it happens again I will hate to tell my grandkids how stupid people were during this time. People think they are right but will be remembered as idiots.
I choose to be on the right side of history. Not the one that 20 years from now is known as the Great Con Job.
They do
The quiet voters will put Harris in. Consider:
Women in Kansas (in particular, but in Ohio, too) showed just how pissed off they are at their own republican men going as nuts as they have on abortion by putting abortion on the ballot.
Pretty much the ENTIRE female population of Kansas did that (solidly two thirds of the vote in a 2/3s red state!) and there is not a republican state anywhere where that sentiment is not on the minds of women.
That sh*t hits home, and every woman likely knows some friend or family member who has had to deal with it one way or another, often badly thanks to the outrageous arrogance of religious extremist MEN. None of them will argue with their men. None of them will admit to voting for Harris. ===> And then they will vote blue for her like maniacs on drugs.
There are also a lot of republicans who are NOT crazy, but have to visibly support Trump.
Some of those people have changed to Harris ** in public **, right? Well, think about how many of those people can’t say so out loud, but know without any doubt just how crazy, old, and demented DJT is.
They won’t say it out loud, but they also can’t vote for him. Maybe they will simply not vote, but that may be enough. They might even lie and tell their friends that they voted orange – but how much do I care as long as they figure it out?
Some people think his convictions and frauds and lies actually matter – hopefully that number is in the millions.
In total, on those two things alone, millions of women and millions of sane people will – 🤞- beat the crap out of that Orange F-ing Turd.
Robert Reich
[Over 60 billionaires have now publicly endorsed Trump, hosted a fundraiser for him, or contributed to Trump aligned PACs. Why are they rallying behind him? Tax cuts, mostly. But there’s more. The more Trump tears down democracy, the safer the oligarchy becomes. Be warned.](https://www.reddit.com/r/democrats/s/An5Zd5X9J6)
INEQUALITY®
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[You Can Thank Donald Trump If You’re Feeling Poorer Today New IRS data show the wealthy grew even richer in the Trump years while the rest of us fell back. RESEARCH & COMMENTARY JUNE 08, 2021 by David Cay Johnston](http://inequality.org/research/trump-income-inequality/)
[Billionaires Are $2.2 Trillion Richer Since 2017 Trump-GOP Tax Law](https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaires-2-2-trillion-richer-since-2017-trump-gop-tax-law/)
Richest 748 Americans’ Wealth Up 77% Since Cuts Passed, Tops $5 Trillion; Debt Caused by Trump Tax Cuts Now Used By GOP As Excuse to Cut Services
What gets me is that there are a lot of people who don’t realize they are not voting Republican. Its not Republican vs Democrat. Its Democrat vs Trumplican. A lot of folk don’t seem to notice that the current Republican party have been taken over by extremists that are not all that much like the image of what a Republican is they have in their heads.
I noticed that a lot of people who talk about voting for Trump list off some pretty vague stuff and if you listen to Trump a lot of the real stuff like promising a better economy is really vague. Saying you will do better, and actually talking about a plan are two different things. It really shows the man has no real plans beyond the specific extreme crap he talks about. Just ask a Trump voter, what his plans really are. Doing better, is not a reasonable answer because it means nothing.
You had me at “think”.
You lost them at ‘think’
Only every Republican elected since the 1990s has given us a recession.
I’m sure it’ll be fine this time though.
They not only plan on doing it again, but this time with zero guardrails and without impunity.
There is no saving them from themselves. They have zero respect for others, and even more zero respect for themselves
This is the best message to send to Republicans that intend to vote for Trump.
https://youtu.be/ZMLWkhumMsI?si=s9md4oE2_9-CPwlZ
Noooo, they very obviously want to go even farther. They won’t be reasoned with.
They do. Did you have to ask?
No, but if you post that on r/republican you’ll be perma-banned because we gotta idolize this christian leader without question.
You can’t complain about first amendment rights either because the sub is purposefully built.
Republicans that vote for Trump because of Trump give such a bad name to the party that they need to rebrand, and the echo chamber of hate that is that sub trashed.
I guess you could replace the moderators with people who are thinking and useful to the larger political environment but then you’d have to find people willing to run what is obviously an underwear stain.
Republicans deserve a leader who isn’t … This.
Remember, Remember the fifth of November.
The tangerine treasonous plot…
If corporations and wealthy elites weren’t supporting him it wouldn’t even be competitive. Money over everything.
im betting noone in their heart of hearts thinks an unending trump predsidency is good for anyone except trump
Yes. Yes, they do.
Yeah man, they literally do.
They really fucking do.
Constantly asking republicans if they really really really want to do the things that they definitely want to do instead of basically ignoring them and spending 99% of your time and money energizing and mobilizing your base and any apathetic/non-voting liberals/progressive/youth voters who are on the sidelines is exactly why the democrats consistently underperform and why Harris’ numbers have been declining.
Put M4A on the platform TODAY. Stop appealing to fucking Dick Cheney voters TODAY. I can’t believe this has to be said
To answer the question proposed by the article title, yes. When he won the primary, this is exactly what they want.
>If Harris wins, the GOP would be sabotaging a bright future by not conceding that Trump lost.
Who are they kidding? Republicans have followed Trump too far down this path, even led him down the beginnings of it. It is too late for them to remove the MAGA blight they welcomed in. Though demographic shifts are far too slow and it’s hard to predict the timeline, and the Supreme Court will slow the process, they are a party in its dying throes, with or without Trump.
Yea they do.
Trump will get a blanket pardon, immunity and a grift, and he’ll resign or they’ll invoke the 25th amendment.
And Peter thiels puppet Vance will push through the Project 25 agenda.
Don’t be a shirker. Vote.