This is the fourth thread for tonight’s VP debate. The [first thread can be found here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fu1ndk/discussion_thread_2024_vice_presidential_debate/), [the second, here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fu4xi6/discussion_thread_2024_vice_presidential_debate), and [the third, here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fu5w1x/discussion_thread_2024_vice_presidential_debate/).
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**Fact Checking**
Live fact checking will be provided by CBS [at this link](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-vp-debate-2024/) and will also be provided by Politifact (which can be viewed [here on PBS’ website](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-vance-and-walz-meet-for-presidential-debate), as well as [a roundup of Politifact’s pre-debate fact-checking that can also be viewed on this PBS page](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/prep-for-the-vice-presidential-debate-with-fact-checks-on-vance-and-walz)).
**Live Pages**
For those wishing to follow along with the debate via text-based updates, check out any of the following pages from: [CBS](http://cbsnews.com/live-updates/vp-debate-vance-walz-2024), [AP](https://apnews.com/live/vp-debate-walz-vance-election-2024-updates), [NPR](https://www.npr.org/live-updates/jd-vance-tim-walz-debate-2024), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/vice-presidential-debate-vance-walz-live-updates-rcna172846), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/walz-vance-debate-updates-vp-candidates-set-showdown/?id=114380625), [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2024-10-01/us-vice-presidential-debate), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/10/01/us/walz-vance-vp-debate) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/10/01/vice-presidential-debate-live-updates/) (soft paywall), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/vance-walz-debate-cbs-10-01-24/index.html) (soft paywall), [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/oct/01/election-harris-trump-politics-updates), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/01/walz-vance-vp-debate-live-updates/75449829007/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/walz-vance-vice-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna171510), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/01/vice-presidential-debate-jd-vance-tim-walz.html), [The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-vance-walz-vp-debate-time-latest-news-b2621952.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/2024-vp-debate-live-updates), or [Yahoo](https://www.yahoo.com/news/live/live-updates-walz-vance-face-off-in-2024-vice-presidential-debate-123441406.html).
**Where to Watch**
The debate will be broadcast on CBS, and can also be viewed live (or later) at any of the following pages. All times in this section are US Eastern.
– CBS via YouTube: [Watch Live: JD Vance and Tim Walz vice presidential debate, hosted by CBS News](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAGZGQg31hs) (Stream goes live at 4 p.m.)
– CBS via YouTube: [Watch Live: Vance-Walz VP debate highlights and analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOTCm8GGUu0) (Goes live at 10:30 p.m.)
– PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [Vance and Walz debate — PBS News simulcast of CBS’s 2024 Vice Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5g_ObRA4Y4)
– C-SPAN: [Simulcast – CBS News Vice Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538521-1/simulcast-cbs-news-vice-presidential-debate)
– C-SPAN: [Reaction To CBS News Vice Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538520-1/reaction-cbs-news-vice-presidential-debate)
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35 Comments
I almost forgot that civil debates were a thing without Trump on the podium.
If you prefer someone well versed in debating, yet avoiding answering the majority of questions while directly claiming to answer said questions whilst continuously tossing in rehearsed anecdotes combined with few factual numbers to support those statements, then Vance won.
If you prefer someone that knows his important information pertaining to the middle class that he’s dealt with as a Governor, yet not being polished and occasionally stumbling as a result but showing a genuine personality in the midst of those hiccups, then Walz won.
That was incredibly civil, I’m for that
What I took away from this is that I need to move to Minnesota
Walz missed the opportunity the whole debate to say “they aren’t Kamala Harris’s policies and leadership. She’s the VP. Senator, you need to understand what the job you’re applying for entails. VP doesn’t set policies.”
“Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?”
JD Vance refuses to answer, spluttering something about looking to the future not the past.
“That is a damning non-answer.”
There you go. To the extent that a VP debate shapes anyone’s decision-making, that’s the 10 seconds that will be repeated for the next month.
So…anyone else notice Vance’s facial expression never changed?
TLDW: JD Vance tried to cosplay as a Democrat, but it’s tough to fake it when you keep needing to defend Trump.
If felt like Walz was talking to me and America.
It felt like Vance was a corporate lawyer defending Trump
That was….very boring.
I’m so happy
JD should probably read the job description of the VP considering how much he believes Kamala is in charge of
EASILY the most important moment of the debate was when Vance was asked directly “did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?” And vance refused to answer
I’ll be voting for the candidate that *doesn’t* complain about being fact checked when they get caught telling lies.
“That was a damning non-answer” was the moment of the night.
Vance was doing really well until he refused to admit that January 6 happened.
The issue with Walz in this debate was that he was too nice. He wasn’t willing to go for the jugular, whereas Vance had no issue lying or misrepresenting his opponent.
Walz won more of the senior vote with his health care talk, and that’s important.
Walz had a lot to lose in this debate and he didn’t. I’m proud with what he did
Way better debate than the first. More substance overall. Vote blue
The China 1989 thing is a non-issue.
Vance not being able to say that Trump lost the 2020 election is THE moment. Damning non-answer indeed.
Pretty crazy that Vance claimed to never support a national abortion ban. They really do rely on their voters being the stupidest people alive, huh?
> Harris campaign claims that Vance’s answer on January 6, which he claimed was “peaceful” and caused by Facebook ads, scored him his lowest rating of the night amid dial focus group battleground undecideds
Tim Walz: “we’re pro women, pro choice, pro freedom”
JD Vance: “I know a woman, she’s watching right now, hello woman”
Chris Hayes: “the level of gaslighting to say Donald Trump saved the ACA ????”
Walzs closing statements: Like the great Roosevelt once said, The Only thing we have to fear is Fear itself.
JD: we never talked energy somehow. My grandma got cold in Ohio once.
“A smooth lie is still a lie.”
> JD Vance is a smooth liar, but a smooth lie is still a lie.
Joy Reid on MSNBC
What many commenters see here as a refreshing civility, I see as a deliberate attempt on Vance’s part to make the Republican Party seem less insane. He clearly amped up the pleasantries to overcompensate for his running mate. It’s all bullshit.
Damn Walz cleaned up on NBC PA undecideds, minus one or two undecideds
Gov. Walz: Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?
Vance: I’m focused on the future
Walz: That is a damning non-answer
Video: [https://www.threads.net/@kamalahq/post/DAmvo_iMtqN](https://www.threads.net/@kamalahq/post/DAmvo_iMtqN)
MSNBC is absolutely shredding Vance. This is beautiful.
Vance is a dangerous man. He’s smart enough to know better, yet he does what he does.
“When Mike Pence certified that election – That’s why Mike Pence isn’t on this stage.”
Walz won this night with that line alone.
One thing that I took away from this debate — Vance seems to like and respect Tim Walz. The same Vance who seems to, on a personal level, despise Donald Trump.
What this tells me is J.D. Vance, the man, is probably pretty similar to the guy who wrote Hillbilly Elegy and sent those texts calling Trump Hitler in terms of Vance’s personal belief, demeanor, values, etc.
What this also tells me, given that it is so much in contrast with who he has been since entering the public life, is that J.D. Vance is an opportunist whose actual principles and ethics mean less to him than his own personal ambition.
In other words, this is the exact type of man who has no business being in power.
Best line in the debate “when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that’s why Mike Pence isn’t on this stage”