> “I’m talking to my constituents and I’m hearing terrible things about what’s going on in Springfield, and Kamala Harris’ open-border policies have caused these problems,” Vance said. Moments later, he said, “Murders are up by 81% because of what Kamala Harris has allowed to happen to this small community.”
And the worst part about Vance’s lies about murders in Springfield is that not a single murder in Springfield involved a member of the Haitian community. The *Republican* prosecutor of the county confirmed this:
> “During the time that I’ve been with the prosecutor’s office, which is 21 years now, we have not had any murders involving the Haitian community – as either the victims or as the perpetrators of those murders”
JD Vance’s and Trump’s blatant racism has terrorized this community in Ohio all for the sake of scoring points with their racist base. It’s honestly disgusting.
Mike_Pences_Mother on
That is essentially true for the entire nation and it is always the case over the last 100 years that crime goes up under Republicans and down under Democrats. (I wish I could find that study now)
PandaMuffin1 on
Why does Vance hate the residents of Springfield so much and the legal immigrants that live there? Haitians have re-energized the town.
DuncanYoudaho on
Poverty is an epidemiological effect of property and violent crime.
Pandemic caused hardship. Hardship caused violent crime to go up. Better economic conditions caused crime to go back down.
Simple as.
Cephalopod_astronaut on
But those are human murders. What about the cats and dogs?
(so very /s)
autotldr on
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/20/politics/fact-check-springfield-had-more-murders-under-trump-than-under-biden-harris/index.html) reduced by 87%. (I’m a bot)
*****
> In small communities, Driscoll said, "If you were to have one murder one year and two murders the next year, you've suddenly got a 100% increase in the rate, but that's not an appreciable difference in the number of murders you have." He said what he looks at is "Trends" – and "We've not seen any trend showing that the amount of murders is going up in Clark County.”
> Even if you exclude the half-year 2024 data and only compare the three completed years of the Biden-Harris administration to either the first three years or last three years under the Trump administration, there have still been fewer murders under Biden-Harris.
> Springfield's murder numbers have fallen within a narrow range, from a low of three murders to a high of 13 murders, for a full decade – and the high of 13 and the low of three were set under Trump in consecutive years, 2018 and 2019.
Because the Haitians ate trumps murderers, obviously
Stang1776 on
This is such a stupid take though. The POTUS has absolutely nothing to do with the murder rates in a small Midwest town.
orcinyadders on
Obviously.
Raspberries-Are-Evil on
Facts dont matter to these people.
They went to a town hall meeting and no one was able to report any pets being eaten, yet the meeting was about pets being eaten.
InsuranceToTheRescue on
Here’s a hot take: What the fuck does the murder rate in a medium sized Midwestern city have to do with the Presidential administration? I mean, I hate Trump but how much effect does an administration really have on domestic crime? It seems like that would be something that is very localized and would fall under the purview of the state, county, and/or city for almost every crime.
Maybe we should quit blaming the President for crime, as if they can do a whole lot about it, and instead blame our local elected leaders?
Mooseguncle1 on
Pet murders ?
OhWowJeezGoodJob on
Jeez, it’s almost like JD and lil trumpy boy are full of shit.
AccomplishedHeat170 on
Who shot Mr Burns?!?
Mustard-Horse71 on
Lmao perfect
ctz123 on
WRONG!! This number does not account for them eating the DOWGS! They’re eating the CATS. They’re eating the…THEY ARE EATING THE PETS.
MoreRamenPls on
Do you know where your sofa is?
Wild_Management_246 on
Two things Presidents have zero control over but will always take credit for – crime and the economy.
OblivionUndulant on
Ok but how may dooawgs were eaten???
mudriverrat07020 on
Isn’t that a fun little piece of trivia?
Pot-Papi_ on
So basically, he’s an idiot and can’t Google. Or he thinks everyone else is an idiot and they can’t Google. I guess both could be correct here.
Narrsbarrs on
And less cats.
G0ld_Ru5h on
Don’t tell Trump’s people this, they’ll go and boost the numbers
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JD Vance:
> “I’m talking to my constituents and I’m hearing terrible things about what’s going on in Springfield, and Kamala Harris’ open-border policies have caused these problems,” Vance said. Moments later, he said, “Murders are up by 81% because of what Kamala Harris has allowed to happen to this small community.”
And the worst part about Vance’s lies about murders in Springfield is that not a single murder in Springfield involved a member of the Haitian community. The *Republican* prosecutor of the county confirmed this:
> “During the time that I’ve been with the prosecutor’s office, which is 21 years now, we have not had any murders involving the Haitian community – as either the victims or as the perpetrators of those murders”
JD Vance’s and Trump’s blatant racism has terrorized this community in Ohio all for the sake of scoring points with their racist base. It’s honestly disgusting.
That is essentially true for the entire nation and it is always the case over the last 100 years that crime goes up under Republicans and down under Democrats. (I wish I could find that study now)
Why does Vance hate the residents of Springfield so much and the legal immigrants that live there? Haitians have re-energized the town.
Poverty is an epidemiological effect of property and violent crime.
Pandemic caused hardship. Hardship caused violent crime to go up. Better economic conditions caused crime to go back down.
Simple as.
But those are human murders. What about the cats and dogs?
(so very /s)
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/20/politics/fact-check-springfield-had-more-murders-under-trump-than-under-biden-harris/index.html) reduced by 87%. (I’m a bot)
*****
> In small communities, Driscoll said, "If you were to have one murder one year and two murders the next year, you've suddenly got a 100% increase in the rate, but that's not an appreciable difference in the number of murders you have." He said what he looks at is "Trends" – and "We've not seen any trend showing that the amount of murders is going up in Clark County.”
> Even if you exclude the half-year 2024 data and only compare the three completed years of the Biden-Harris administration to either the first three years or last three years under the Trump administration, there have still been fewer murders under Biden-Harris.
> Springfield's murder numbers have fallen within a narrow range, from a low of three murders to a high of 13 murders, for a full decade – and the high of 13 and the low of three were set under Trump in consecutive years, 2018 and 2019.
*****
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Because the Haitians ate trumps murderers, obviously
This is such a stupid take though. The POTUS has absolutely nothing to do with the murder rates in a small Midwest town.
Obviously.
Facts dont matter to these people.
They went to a town hall meeting and no one was able to report any pets being eaten, yet the meeting was about pets being eaten.
Here’s a hot take: What the fuck does the murder rate in a medium sized Midwestern city have to do with the Presidential administration? I mean, I hate Trump but how much effect does an administration really have on domestic crime? It seems like that would be something that is very localized and would fall under the purview of the state, county, and/or city for almost every crime.
Maybe we should quit blaming the President for crime, as if they can do a whole lot about it, and instead blame our local elected leaders?
Pet murders ?
Jeez, it’s almost like JD and lil trumpy boy are full of shit.
Who shot Mr Burns?!?
Lmao perfect
WRONG!! This number does not account for them eating the DOWGS! They’re eating the CATS. They’re eating the…THEY ARE EATING THE PETS.
Do you know where your sofa is?
Two things Presidents have zero control over but will always take credit for – crime and the economy.
Ok but how may dooawgs were eaten???
Isn’t that a fun little piece of trivia?
So basically, he’s an idiot and can’t Google. Or he thinks everyone else is an idiot and they can’t Google. I guess both could be correct here.
And less cats.
Don’t tell Trump’s people this, they’ll go and boost the numbers