Almost like they were told to back off by their American overlords.
DaveDurant on
Yeah. russia could have also done more to avoid it.
Kurovi_dev on
Would providing Ukraine with more equipment before the war have averted the war, or would it have given Putin more excuses to cause it?
NATO and America are “warmongers” when it gives nations the means to defend themselves against aggressors, but also blamed for the actions of invading aggressors for not giving out more weapons.
Unless this man is saying NATO should have armed Ukraine with nuclear weapons, there is no reason *at all* to assume giving Ukraine more standard weapons and equipment would have done anything but allow Russia to be better prepared for its inevitable invasion.
TopGsApprentice on
The US should’ve put the 82nd and 101 airborne in Ukraine and tested Russia
green_flash on
> “Now we are providing military equipment for the war — back then, we could have provided military equipment to prevent the war,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told the Frankfurter Allgemeine newspaper in an interview published on Saturday.
I’m an armchair “expert”, but I would assume that Russia would have invaded earlier if there was any indication that NATO was going to arm Ukraine.
bluebooxxx on
Rather than a ceasefire or peace treaty, a land-for-peace deal would be a surrender to the invaders.
8day on
Uhm… That is not what Stoltenberg said. He knows the difference all to well. What he said is that NATO could’ve helped to prevent second phase of the war — full-scale invasion.
Argented on
yeah NATO could have been a bit tougher when Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula back in 2014. Maybe not helping more back then is why Putin figured he could have the rest of Ukraine.
DogsSaveTheWorld on
20/20 hindsight … ain’t it grand?
If I were to guess, once Trump lost in 2020, Putin concluded that if he waited, increased arms in Ukraine would be a certainty, so he got whole the ‘getting was good’. If Trump was reelected, Trump policy would have continued to weaken Ukraine, and this war would have merely been kicked down the road a few years. It will be interesting to see what plays out when Harris wins.
ChoirBoyComparedToMe on
Duh. Pisses me off we didn’t do something in 2014 or when the Russian scum shot down a passenger plane.
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Almost like they were told to back off by their American overlords.
Yeah. russia could have also done more to avoid it.
Would providing Ukraine with more equipment before the war have averted the war, or would it have given Putin more excuses to cause it?
NATO and America are “warmongers” when it gives nations the means to defend themselves against aggressors, but also blamed for the actions of invading aggressors for not giving out more weapons.
Unless this man is saying NATO should have armed Ukraine with nuclear weapons, there is no reason *at all* to assume giving Ukraine more standard weapons and equipment would have done anything but allow Russia to be better prepared for its inevitable invasion.
The US should’ve put the 82nd and 101 airborne in Ukraine and tested Russia
> “Now we are providing military equipment for the war — back then, we could have provided military equipment to prevent the war,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told the Frankfurter Allgemeine newspaper in an interview published on Saturday.
I’m an armchair “expert”, but I would assume that Russia would have invaded earlier if there was any indication that NATO was going to arm Ukraine.
Rather than a ceasefire or peace treaty, a land-for-peace deal would be a surrender to the invaders.
Uhm… That is not what Stoltenberg said. He knows the difference all to well. What he said is that NATO could’ve helped to prevent second phase of the war — full-scale invasion.
yeah NATO could have been a bit tougher when Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula back in 2014. Maybe not helping more back then is why Putin figured he could have the rest of Ukraine.
20/20 hindsight … ain’t it grand?
If I were to guess, once Trump lost in 2020, Putin concluded that if he waited, increased arms in Ukraine would be a certainty, so he got whole the ‘getting was good’. If Trump was reelected, Trump policy would have continued to weaken Ukraine, and this war would have merely been kicked down the road a few years. It will be interesting to see what plays out when Harris wins.
Duh. Pisses me off we didn’t do something in 2014 or when the Russian scum shot down a passenger plane.