No issues here, please do not question the immigration / TFW system.
HurlinVermin on
Basically this means that for the foreseeable future, if you want to have a reasonably-priced place to live, you must seek it outside of these large metropolitan areas, because this problem isn’t going away anytime soon.
No amount of wage increases or building booms are going to cure this affordability issue any time soon. That’s the cold unvarnished reality of the situation.
Golbar-59 on
Hear this out. How about we don’t try to expand the same two cities forever, but instead, we build new cities and city centers. It just might happen that putting millions of additional people in already crowded cities might not work so well.
SterlingMace on
Surely wages will go up to compensate.
Right?
Right???
Difficult-Yam-1347 on
Rents could exceed $7.5K in Vancouver, $5.6K in Toronto without reducing demand: Study
Look. The government hasn’t been able to change housing completions meaningfully in forty plus years. But it has 100% control over population growth now (almost zero natural growth), and can change it easily. Despite being unable to change completions much—we are still going with this angle?
cortex- on
How about a massive spike in building… everywhere else in Canada so that people have more choices of cities to live and work in?
Toronto and Vancouver need more alternatives to Toronto and Vancouver. For a great many, Toronto and Van are the only option socially and economically. People would rather pile up there en masse and live in basements and shoeboxes than consider living anywhere else in-between. That’s the problem.
Windatar on
I’ve said this before. if Rents every hit those numbers then the party in charge would get kicked so hard to the curb it wouldn’t be funny.
Most Canadians make 3k a month, only like 0.5% of Canadians could afford 7.5k on rent a month. That’s nearly 100k a year on rent?
Lol, lmao. As soon as rents hit that you’d be seeing deportations out of Canada otherwise massive riots would happen.
LowertownNEWB on
They lost me at “machine learning”
IHate2ChooseUserName on
only 7.5k? so cheap so very cheap not that i can afford half of it
swabby1 on
Oh nice a study by Concordia is great…..oh.. AND a development company Equiton projects. I wouldn’t take too much away from a study that is sponsored/co-authored by a development company.
sfhr on
Curb the immigration to sustainable level and this will never happen.
lola_10_ on
The liberals and their immigration policies have screwed Canadians for generations. Good luck saving for a down payment on a house when you are paying your income in rent.
gi0nna on
You can’t draw blood from a stone. Good luck with that.
random20190826 on
One question that no one has the answer to (so far) is whether there is a sustainable way to bring down condo fees. I have seen that, before the housing slowdown, you had condo units that sell for $1.5 million (think 1500-2000 square feet condos, so not “shoeboxes in the sky”), but they will have $1500-2000 monthly condo fees.
The reason I bring this up is because I know old style unmanaged apartments built decades ago in Ontario have no condo fees (of course, these are small places that don’t have their own washers and dryers). But I am Chinese, and old style apartments in that country don’t have condo fees either, and they were big enough (about 1000 square feet) to raise a family.
So, while it is absolutely crucial to build condos based on demand, a large part of the affordability crisis is actually five figure per year condo fees. You bring these down, and condos will become much more desirable.
teddy_boy_gamma on
and they never talk about throttling demand?
NorthernHusky2020 on
We don’t need massive housing starts – that has already occurred. Look at all the new condos in Toronto over the past 15 years. Close the border – it’s so easy. Remember when landlords started offering 2 months free rent and flat-screen TV’s during Covid when we closed the border? *Reducing demand helps more than anything*.
Platypusin on
I think that as it gets more expensive, the more incentive businesses will have to relocate, and the less incentive entrepreneurs will have to be/do business there which will naturally move the population and new business to other cheaper centres.
Roo10011 on
Good. It’s going to fund my retirement
Captain-McSizzle on
What if for a fraction of the cost the government incentivized some big employers to set up factories or tech hubs in smaller markets throughout Canada to spread the population out?
Life-Appointment6515 on
That’s absolutely fucked up I would start burning shit like an animal I would go completely animalistic and fly to parliament and riot naked that’s how fucked this future sounds for future generations
Accomplished_Use27 on
Ya’ll read the article. It’s based off recent population growth…. You think they going to sustain that for a decade? Lmao
Bentstrings84 on
Liberal voters, why do you support this and why are you still going to vote Liberal?
vperron81 on
If it come to that point 95% of the population wouldn’t be able to house themselves properly.Even if most people think Canadians are pushovers, before we get there we would be engulfed in a vicious ethnic civil war and there would be one person to blame
akd432 on
Sounds about right. Rents double every decade.
Manofoneway221 on
Never a better time to be a landlord
sadaccountant1021 on
At the point, people who can afford paying 7.5k a month would have already been a home owner.
EKcore on
It’s a feature and not a bug for Canada.
KirkJimmy on
lol whose gonna be living in them and whose gonna support that lifestyle ? $70 per hour McDonald’s employees?
y2shanny on
The supply side is great and all, but seeing as inflation is crazy, building fees and regulations are onerous, etc, making mass construction essentially impossible…let’s pull the “demand” lever too. We could do that immediately.
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Totally sustainable and very good. 👍
No issues here, please do not question the immigration / TFW system.
Basically this means that for the foreseeable future, if you want to have a reasonably-priced place to live, you must seek it outside of these large metropolitan areas, because this problem isn’t going away anytime soon.
No amount of wage increases or building booms are going to cure this affordability issue any time soon. That’s the cold unvarnished reality of the situation.
Hear this out. How about we don’t try to expand the same two cities forever, but instead, we build new cities and city centers. It just might happen that putting millions of additional people in already crowded cities might not work so well.
Surely wages will go up to compensate.
Right?
Right???
Rents could exceed $7.5K in Vancouver, $5.6K in Toronto without reducing demand: Study
https://i.ibb.co/2sj9WwV/IMG-9500.jpg
Look. The government hasn’t been able to change housing completions meaningfully in forty plus years. But it has 100% control over population growth now (almost zero natural growth), and can change it easily. Despite being unable to change completions much—we are still going with this angle?
How about a massive spike in building… everywhere else in Canada so that people have more choices of cities to live and work in?
Toronto and Vancouver need more alternatives to Toronto and Vancouver. For a great many, Toronto and Van are the only option socially and economically. People would rather pile up there en masse and live in basements and shoeboxes than consider living anywhere else in-between. That’s the problem.
I’ve said this before. if Rents every hit those numbers then the party in charge would get kicked so hard to the curb it wouldn’t be funny.
Most Canadians make 3k a month, only like 0.5% of Canadians could afford 7.5k on rent a month. That’s nearly 100k a year on rent?
Lol, lmao. As soon as rents hit that you’d be seeing deportations out of Canada otherwise massive riots would happen.
They lost me at “machine learning”
only 7.5k? so cheap so very cheap not that i can afford half of it
Oh nice a study by Concordia is great…..oh.. AND a development company Equiton projects. I wouldn’t take too much away from a study that is sponsored/co-authored by a development company.
Curb the immigration to sustainable level and this will never happen.
The liberals and their immigration policies have screwed Canadians for generations. Good luck saving for a down payment on a house when you are paying your income in rent.
You can’t draw blood from a stone. Good luck with that.
One question that no one has the answer to (so far) is whether there is a sustainable way to bring down condo fees. I have seen that, before the housing slowdown, you had condo units that sell for $1.5 million (think 1500-2000 square feet condos, so not “shoeboxes in the sky”), but they will have $1500-2000 monthly condo fees.
The reason I bring this up is because I know old style unmanaged apartments built decades ago in Ontario have no condo fees (of course, these are small places that don’t have their own washers and dryers). But I am Chinese, and old style apartments in that country don’t have condo fees either, and they were big enough (about 1000 square feet) to raise a family.
So, while it is absolutely crucial to build condos based on demand, a large part of the affordability crisis is actually five figure per year condo fees. You bring these down, and condos will become much more desirable.
and they never talk about throttling demand?
We don’t need massive housing starts – that has already occurred. Look at all the new condos in Toronto over the past 15 years. Close the border – it’s so easy. Remember when landlords started offering 2 months free rent and flat-screen TV’s during Covid when we closed the border? *Reducing demand helps more than anything*.
I think that as it gets more expensive, the more incentive businesses will have to relocate, and the less incentive entrepreneurs will have to be/do business there which will naturally move the population and new business to other cheaper centres.
Good. It’s going to fund my retirement
What if for a fraction of the cost the government incentivized some big employers to set up factories or tech hubs in smaller markets throughout Canada to spread the population out?
That’s absolutely fucked up I would start burning shit like an animal I would go completely animalistic and fly to parliament and riot naked that’s how fucked this future sounds for future generations
Ya’ll read the article. It’s based off recent population growth…. You think they going to sustain that for a decade? Lmao
Liberal voters, why do you support this and why are you still going to vote Liberal?
If it come to that point 95% of the population wouldn’t be able to house themselves properly.Even if most people think Canadians are pushovers, before we get there we would be engulfed in a vicious ethnic civil war and there would be one person to blame
Sounds about right. Rents double every decade.
Never a better time to be a landlord
At the point, people who can afford paying 7.5k a month would have already been a home owner.
It’s a feature and not a bug for Canada.
lol whose gonna be living in them and whose gonna support that lifestyle ? $70 per hour McDonald’s employees?
The supply side is great and all, but seeing as inflation is crazy, building fees and regulations are onerous, etc, making mass construction essentially impossible…let’s pull the “demand” lever too. We could do that immediately.