JD Vance’s debate lines were so polished you could forget they made no sense | Trump’s running mate had the greasy self-assurance of someone used to lying to people he thinks are stupid
JD Vance’s debate lines were so polished you could forget they made no sense | Trump’s running mate had the greasy self-assurance of someone used to lying to people he thinks are stupid
>The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
– Henry Louis Mencken
straygoat193 on
Like blaming experts for offshoring. Corporations did it to increase profit, lower costs, and screw American labor. His answer sounded good but was nothing but doubletalk.
ranchoparksteve on
JD Vance is basically a used car salesman hyping up a truly awful car you have no use for.
SeminoleDVM on
Still having an intermittent chuckle this AM thinking about Vance saying trump saved Obamacare 🤣
2HDFloppyDisk on
He pulled off a used car salesman bit last night. Sold people the most overpriced and worn out car on the lot.
mvallas1073 on
…because most people are stupid. It works. Trump’s political success is the evidence of that
Disc-Golf-Kid on
There was an undecided respondent CNN (I think) interviewed after the debate, much like they did after the presidential debate. He said he will be voting for Harris/Walz because he cant vote for someone that doesn’t respect his vote.
localistand on
Is that what a 60 minute timeshare pitch is like? It felt like a guy selling hard.
5minArgument on
Was surprised at how well he convinced himself he had a point.
The line where he blamed “the experts” saying it is better to produce overseas particularly stood out for me.
I remember this was a GOP plank in the 80’s and 90’s. Even to the point of pushing subsidies to companies to help them relocate US manufacturing to China.
two-wheeled-dynamo on
If you go look t the fact checks from last night, half the shit he claimed were utter lies.
Reddit_Roit on
So many wasted opportunities, like after the 10th time Vance blamed Kamala for the economy or immigration or inflation, how in the hell did Waltz not say ‘Vance, you do know that Congress writes the bills, votes on the bill and President signs that in law, explain to me where a Vice President comes into that? Do you somehow think a vice president supersedes Congress and the white house? Because if so that tells me you shouldn’t be a vice president or even a congressman.
openly_gray on
Well he spend his life selling himself to the rich and powerful. He stayed in character as amoral unprincipled social striver
evasandor on
Finally— a well-put headline.
9551HD on
He’s an acolyte of Curtis Yarvin’s corporate fiefdom bullshit philosophy. He’s very skilled at speaking at great length but saying very little.
> Asked about his call for a national abortion ban, Vance insisted that what he wanted was a national "Standard" – a standard, that is, to ban it at 15 weeks.
> Perhaps Walz's best moment came near the end of the debate, in a conversation about democracy, when he pointedly asked JD Vance to say whether Trump lost the 2020 election.
Vance proved that he is the smoothest pile of shit to ever flatulently grace a microphone. He lied so smoothly and with such confidence you can tell he is well practiced at the art of propaganda.
madmadamemim24 on
But he still managed to slip on his own rancid slickness.
LetTheSinkIn on
I feel bad for those consistently falling for easy to verify bullshit all because they care more about image/performance
TheHoneyBadger23 on
Lets not forget when they were talking about gun violence in schools that JD Sofa Kingdom Vance’s answer was to “get doors that lock better”.
Far-Elk2540 on
This 100% puts into words what I have been trying to articulate. It’s a shame it wasn’t a fact checked debate. He would have talked much less.
CurrentlyLucid on
Well put.
murphdog09 on
He reminded me of a slimy used car salesman.
Foxhound199 on
It was actually the first time I saw what the silicon valley conservatives must have seen in him. He actually seemed pretty effective at polishing a turd. He calmly and convincingly lies through his teeth in a way that, if you hadn’t been paying attention, you may be convinced he actually believes what he is saying. Guess he finally got off the couch and showed everyone he’s a master debater.
Unable_Technology935 on
This guy is a used car salesman. He can look you dead in the eye and lie.
CanaDoug420 on
With all these headlines I guess I watched the wrong debate. So many headlines pretending Vance wasn’t a rambling liar. I didn’t think I could be more disappointed in people but if that’s smooth and polished to people that’s wild.
MidwestHacker on
This was my takeaway as well:
Vance was doing a very good job of lying in a smooth way, and looking comfortable doing it. Polished. Zero policy positions established or explained. He had some really good moments in the first 30 minutes or so. Weirdly keep jamming immigration into every topic, which got even more grating the more he did it. Had terrible moments the last 30 minutes or so on Abortion, Healthcare, and Democracy. The soundbite of this debate is going to be Walz asking Vance: “Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?” and Vance just sitting there looking smug trying to deflect about censorship or some other bullshit. Refusing to answer a question about a simple fact was damning.
teddytwelvetoes on
yeah, that’s that Yale sociopath training lol anybody who has worked with affluent white-collar folks should be very familiar with people like this. they can’t wait to fuck your shit up on purpose for personal gain and they’ll smile in your face about it while telling you that it was totally somebody else’s fault, possibly even your own
TheDeepStateDirector on
Used car salesman selling you a lemon.
No-Second5512 on
The ease at which Vance lied should be more troubling than the lies, themselves. Slippery, comfortable, silver tongued…. sociopaths can be like that.
While Vance likes to tout his difficult childhood…. addicted mother and raised by a grandmother (haven’t heard anything about father or father figure)… environments like that often produce unstable adults.
Vance lied like it was just another day in the park.
HookednSoCal on
Vance lied about the Iran nuclear deal. Trumps own administration said it was working but Trump killed the agreement and promised a ‘better more beautiful deal’ that never materialized.
Vance lied about Trump and the ACA. He desperately tried to kill that, too but McCain saved it with his thumbs up and Trump lost it.
Vance refused to acknowledge that Trump was the one who called his congressional psychopaths to stop the bipartisan border bill so he can have something to campaign on.
Vance lied about Trump peacefully transferring the presidency to Biden because instead of welcoming the new president to the White House as is a long standing tradition he threw a tantrum and ran away to FL.
Vance lied about J6 and blamed the democrats for the insurrection.
Vance refused to commit to certifying an election even when every governor did so.
Vance refused to state that Trump did lose the 2020 election.
Vance lied about his comments that abortion should be banned nationwide.
Vance lied about protecting IVF when the current GOP voted against it twice.
Vance says the answer to children being killed in schools is stronger doors.
Vance is that swarmy salesman that refuses to allow you to read the fine print. Sensible people know to avoid that type of snake oil salesman but unfortunately there are plenty of gullible people out there that fall for it time and again. Which one are you?
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Have you seen the GOP base?
>The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
– Henry Louis Mencken
Like blaming experts for offshoring. Corporations did it to increase profit, lower costs, and screw American labor. His answer sounded good but was nothing but doubletalk.
JD Vance is basically a used car salesman hyping up a truly awful car you have no use for.
Still having an intermittent chuckle this AM thinking about Vance saying trump saved Obamacare 🤣
He pulled off a used car salesman bit last night. Sold people the most overpriced and worn out car on the lot.
…because most people are stupid. It works. Trump’s political success is the evidence of that
There was an undecided respondent CNN (I think) interviewed after the debate, much like they did after the presidential debate. He said he will be voting for Harris/Walz because he cant vote for someone that doesn’t respect his vote.
Is that what a 60 minute timeshare pitch is like? It felt like a guy selling hard.
Was surprised at how well he convinced himself he had a point.
The line where he blamed “the experts” saying it is better to produce overseas particularly stood out for me.
I remember this was a GOP plank in the 80’s and 90’s. Even to the point of pushing subsidies to companies to help them relocate US manufacturing to China.
If you go look t the fact checks from last night, half the shit he claimed were utter lies.
So many wasted opportunities, like after the 10th time Vance blamed Kamala for the economy or immigration or inflation, how in the hell did Waltz not say ‘Vance, you do know that Congress writes the bills, votes on the bill and President signs that in law, explain to me where a Vice President comes into that? Do you somehow think a vice president supersedes Congress and the white house? Because if so that tells me you shouldn’t be a vice president or even a congressman.
Well he spend his life selling himself to the rich and powerful. He stayed in character as amoral unprincipled social striver
Finally— a well-put headline.
He’s an acolyte of Curtis Yarvin’s corporate fiefdom bullshit philosophy. He’s very skilled at speaking at great length but saying very little.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/02/jd-vance-debate-performance) reduced by 92%. (I’m a bot)
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> Vance delivered practiced answers to questions on healthcare, abortion rights and childcare that were dense with lies and euphemism.
> Asked about his call for a national abortion ban, Vance insisted that what he wanted was a national "Standard" – a standard, that is, to ban it at 15 weeks.
> Perhaps Walz's best moment came near the end of the debate, in a conversation about democracy, when he pointedly asked JD Vance to say whether Trump lost the 2020 election.
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Vance proved that he is the smoothest pile of shit to ever flatulently grace a microphone. He lied so smoothly and with such confidence you can tell he is well practiced at the art of propaganda.
But he still managed to slip on his own rancid slickness.
I feel bad for those consistently falling for easy to verify bullshit all because they care more about image/performance
Lets not forget when they were talking about gun violence in schools that JD Sofa Kingdom Vance’s answer was to “get doors that lock better”.
This 100% puts into words what I have been trying to articulate. It’s a shame it wasn’t a fact checked debate. He would have talked much less.
Well put.
He reminded me of a slimy used car salesman.
It was actually the first time I saw what the silicon valley conservatives must have seen in him. He actually seemed pretty effective at polishing a turd. He calmly and convincingly lies through his teeth in a way that, if you hadn’t been paying attention, you may be convinced he actually believes what he is saying. Guess he finally got off the couch and showed everyone he’s a master debater.
This guy is a used car salesman. He can look you dead in the eye and lie.
With all these headlines I guess I watched the wrong debate. So many headlines pretending Vance wasn’t a rambling liar. I didn’t think I could be more disappointed in people but if that’s smooth and polished to people that’s wild.
This was my takeaway as well:
Vance was doing a very good job of lying in a smooth way, and looking comfortable doing it. Polished. Zero policy positions established or explained. He had some really good moments in the first 30 minutes or so. Weirdly keep jamming immigration into every topic, which got even more grating the more he did it. Had terrible moments the last 30 minutes or so on Abortion, Healthcare, and Democracy. The soundbite of this debate is going to be Walz asking Vance: “Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?” and Vance just sitting there looking smug trying to deflect about censorship or some other bullshit. Refusing to answer a question about a simple fact was damning.
yeah, that’s that Yale sociopath training lol anybody who has worked with affluent white-collar folks should be very familiar with people like this. they can’t wait to fuck your shit up on purpose for personal gain and they’ll smile in your face about it while telling you that it was totally somebody else’s fault, possibly even your own
Used car salesman selling you a lemon.
The ease at which Vance lied should be more troubling than the lies, themselves. Slippery, comfortable, silver tongued…. sociopaths can be like that.
While Vance likes to tout his difficult childhood…. addicted mother and raised by a grandmother (haven’t heard anything about father or father figure)… environments like that often produce unstable adults.
Vance lied like it was just another day in the park.
Vance lied about the Iran nuclear deal. Trumps own administration said it was working but Trump killed the agreement and promised a ‘better more beautiful deal’ that never materialized.
Vance lied about Trump and the ACA. He desperately tried to kill that, too but McCain saved it with his thumbs up and Trump lost it.
Vance refused to acknowledge that Trump was the one who called his congressional psychopaths to stop the bipartisan border bill so he can have something to campaign on.
Vance lied about Trump peacefully transferring the presidency to Biden because instead of welcoming the new president to the White House as is a long standing tradition he threw a tantrum and ran away to FL.
Vance lied about J6 and blamed the democrats for the insurrection.
Vance refused to commit to certifying an election even when every governor did so.
Vance refused to state that Trump did lose the 2020 election.
Vance lied about his comments that abortion should be banned nationwide.
Vance lied about protecting IVF when the current GOP voted against it twice.
Vance says the answer to children being killed in schools is stronger doors.
Vance is that swarmy salesman that refuses to allow you to read the fine print. Sensible people know to avoid that type of snake oil salesman but unfortunately there are plenty of gullible people out there that fall for it time and again. Which one are you?