It has been proven that forcing people does not work. It has also been shown that it takes an addiction on average 7 tries before getting sober. Who will pay for all this. If tax payers dint have access to mental health help, why would they vote to spend money like this ??,
PythonEntusiast on
No shit.
anOutsidersThoughts on
If it’s not working, try something else. A lot of people believe in helping the less fortunate, but the way help is administered can be belittling people. It can promote a reliance on other people for necessities and an attitude of helplessness.
It’s not good to have to do this, but I think it is necessary.
It’s questionable how effective it will be and if it will be enforced. If it’s a law that exists and just isn’t applied because the bars and stakes are high, then it’s pointless pandering. If its not used because hospitals are full, it becomes less than useful. it would be institutionalizing people who aren’t capable of helping themselves, and may not want to help themselves, at the trade off of providing care for functioning people in society.
What comes of compassionate intervention, or just straight up institutionalization, it needs to be effective at getting people into it who need to be in it. If it can’t do that, then it’s pointless and useless.
Tiny_Owl_5537 on
Finally.
Flanman1337 on
What part of, the medical and addiction specialists say forced treatment will not work, are people having such a hard time understanding.Â
Addictions are a mental thing, if you don’t WANT to quit, you will not quit. Ask anyone who’s attempted to quit smoking or drinking. How many times did it take? All this will do will be a complete drain of resources only to have the problem pop up again as soon as they are released. It will not work. It will waste resources. Resources that could have been spend on supports that will work.
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Superb-Respect-1313 on
Well that would be a good thing. Wouldn’t it. I mean people who are having significant life impacting issues are really in no way able to take charge of the situation they are in.
monkeytitsalfrado on
Involuntary is a common desire when the people in power want something of everyone else.
MarxCosmo on
Yeah but that’s irrelevant, it doesent work. Just because dumb talking points are popular doesn’t mean they cant just make everything much worse.
Popular-Row4333 on
Here’s the thing. Yes, forced rehab has staggeringly low recovery rates. I believe it’s somewhere in the neighborhood of 35% for severe addiction, mainly because one time recovery can be higher but relapse rates are around 40-60% for severe addiction like opioids. But at least you are making progress and given enough time, even decades, we will start to see a noticeable improvement. This is also noticeably better than the 10-14% rate of recovery without outside help with severe addiction cases.
Because the policies in place currently are doing the exact opposite, we are seeing in real time that the numbers are growing and not getting better. And I know people think it’s rough right now, but this is like recession lite, it’s only going to get worse if the economy slides from here.
Even bastion of the super progressive, the State of California recently introduced a state governorship for the homeless if they don’t have family of next of kin to speak for them.
People that have dealt with severe addiction will tell you from what they witnessed, that without help, there is one more than likely outcome that will inevitably come for you. Death. It’s just a numbers game. And before that happens, there are dozens of taxpayer calls for Ambulances to administer Narcan and care before the inevitable.
So the question basically becomes for about 9/10 people with severe addiction, would you prefer forced governorship or death for them? Because statistically, those are the outcomes. And the taxpayer money is likely a wash between the two of healthcare and policing vs infrastructure for facilities and staffing.
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It has been proven that forcing people does not work. It has also been shown that it takes an addiction on average 7 tries before getting sober. Who will pay for all this. If tax payers dint have access to mental health help, why would they vote to spend money like this ??,
No shit.
If it’s not working, try something else. A lot of people believe in helping the less fortunate, but the way help is administered can be belittling people. It can promote a reliance on other people for necessities and an attitude of helplessness.
It’s not good to have to do this, but I think it is necessary.
It’s questionable how effective it will be and if it will be enforced. If it’s a law that exists and just isn’t applied because the bars and stakes are high, then it’s pointless pandering. If its not used because hospitals are full, it becomes less than useful. it would be institutionalizing people who aren’t capable of helping themselves, and may not want to help themselves, at the trade off of providing care for functioning people in society.
What comes of compassionate intervention, or just straight up institutionalization, it needs to be effective at getting people into it who need to be in it. If it can’t do that, then it’s pointless and useless.
Finally.
What part of, the medical and addiction specialists say forced treatment will not work, are people having such a hard time understanding.Â
Addictions are a mental thing, if you don’t WANT to quit, you will not quit. Ask anyone who’s attempted to quit smoking or drinking. How many times did it take? All this will do will be a complete drain of resources only to have the problem pop up again as soon as they are released. It will not work. It will waste resources. Resources that could have been spend on supports that will work.
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Well that would be a good thing. Wouldn’t it. I mean people who are having significant life impacting issues are really in no way able to take charge of the situation they are in.
Involuntary is a common desire when the people in power want something of everyone else.
Yeah but that’s irrelevant, it doesent work. Just because dumb talking points are popular doesn’t mean they cant just make everything much worse.
Here’s the thing. Yes, forced rehab has staggeringly low recovery rates. I believe it’s somewhere in the neighborhood of 35% for severe addiction, mainly because one time recovery can be higher but relapse rates are around 40-60% for severe addiction like opioids. But at least you are making progress and given enough time, even decades, we will start to see a noticeable improvement. This is also noticeably better than the 10-14% rate of recovery without outside help with severe addiction cases.
Because the policies in place currently are doing the exact opposite, we are seeing in real time that the numbers are growing and not getting better. And I know people think it’s rough right now, but this is like recession lite, it’s only going to get worse if the economy slides from here.
Even bastion of the super progressive, the State of California recently introduced a state governorship for the homeless if they don’t have family of next of kin to speak for them.
People that have dealt with severe addiction will tell you from what they witnessed, that without help, there is one more than likely outcome that will inevitably come for you. Death. It’s just a numbers game. And before that happens, there are dozens of taxpayer calls for Ambulances to administer Narcan and care before the inevitable.
So the question basically becomes for about 9/10 people with severe addiction, would you prefer forced governorship or death for them? Because statistically, those are the outcomes. And the taxpayer money is likely a wash between the two of healthcare and policing vs infrastructure for facilities and staffing.