I truly want to emphasize that I am throwing this question to the wind in sincerity. I would genuinely like to see Ukraine maximize its outcome in this war and reclaim Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea. That said, sometimes peace comes at a cost.
What, if any resolution, do you think Ukraine and Russia would accept to bring this war to an end? Is everything on the table? Might Ukraine cut its losses at Crimea if it means taking back Donetsk and Luhansk?
I think it is wrong for Russia to take Crimea, but if it means that Ukraine can attain NATO status/membership as the war would be over, they might find it to be a prudent deal.
What are your thoughts?
momalloyd on
Russia just need to hand over Russia and this will all be sorted.
FlanneurInFlannel on
>a summit that can put a period on the Russia-Ukraine war. It should be a definitive period, not an ellipsis
excellent summary of the main risk here.
Forsaken-Action8051 on
If Kamala wins, Zelensky will stop with this bullshit, all this horseshit is because Trump might win.
There cant be peace wehn Ukraine doesnt have the upper hand in the war.
wassuppaulie on
Peace Plan that would work (sez me);
1. Ukraine joins NATO immediately, leaves Russian soil entirely. NATO enters Ukraine immediately, isolates Russian troops.
2. Russian troops have to leave immediately, and will have safe passage. They can take their equipment, but any further attacks on Ukraine or its people will be dealt with harshly. Russian ships have to leave Crimea, which must be returned to Ukraine. Once Russians are back within their pre-2014 borders, Russian Navy can resume peacetime operations.
3. Sanctions will be dialed back commensurate with Russia’s behavior. A UN body will be tasked with negotiating a reasonable lease for the use of some Crimean ports. No regime change is required.
4. The goal is status quo ante, but with Ukraine a part of NATO and EU.
suomikim on
until it becomes clear what will happen in the US election, its hard to see either side truly willing to make a deal… since the election and/or coup after/before will have a large effect on what the landscape will look like next year.
if it became clear that Trump was likely to win, or to be able to hold on in a coup situation, then that pressures Z to take a sub optimal deal… really to take the best deal he can get. But in that situation, Putin would probably hold on and hope to take all of Ukraine. (Despite that it would be a multi-year insurgency campaign after he’d win… Putin probably doesn’t realize this, but also doesn’t care cos it’s an “after I’m dead” problem)
if Putin was to assess that Trump was finished, then that would change things. Whether Putin would consider actually escalating in hopes to intimidate/split the US and EU… hard to determine. But he’d know that his dream of taking all of Ukraine was probably over, and want to negotiate for as much as he could get, if he thought that nuclear blackmail wasn’t possible.
4862skrrt2684 on
Doubt but hope
Normatyvas on
All these talks are wishfull thinking. No motives for Russia to withdraw, stll no rockets are flying into Moscow.
FakeOng99 on
The most resilient servant for the people.
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Just in time to join Palestine in thier war against invasion.
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Dude needs a break, goddamn.
I truly want to emphasize that I am throwing this question to the wind in sincerity. I would genuinely like to see Ukraine maximize its outcome in this war and reclaim Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea. That said, sometimes peace comes at a cost.
What, if any resolution, do you think Ukraine and Russia would accept to bring this war to an end? Is everything on the table? Might Ukraine cut its losses at Crimea if it means taking back Donetsk and Luhansk?
I think it is wrong for Russia to take Crimea, but if it means that Ukraine can attain NATO status/membership as the war would be over, they might find it to be a prudent deal.
What are your thoughts?
Russia just need to hand over Russia and this will all be sorted.
>a summit that can put a period on the Russia-Ukraine war. It should be a definitive period, not an ellipsis
excellent summary of the main risk here.
If Kamala wins, Zelensky will stop with this bullshit, all this horseshit is because Trump might win.
There cant be peace wehn Ukraine doesnt have the upper hand in the war.
Peace Plan that would work (sez me);
1. Ukraine joins NATO immediately, leaves Russian soil entirely. NATO enters Ukraine immediately, isolates Russian troops.
2. Russian troops have to leave immediately, and will have safe passage. They can take their equipment, but any further attacks on Ukraine or its people will be dealt with harshly. Russian ships have to leave Crimea, which must be returned to Ukraine. Once Russians are back within their pre-2014 borders, Russian Navy can resume peacetime operations.
3. Sanctions will be dialed back commensurate with Russia’s behavior. A UN body will be tasked with negotiating a reasonable lease for the use of some Crimean ports. No regime change is required.
4. The goal is status quo ante, but with Ukraine a part of NATO and EU.
until it becomes clear what will happen in the US election, its hard to see either side truly willing to make a deal… since the election and/or coup after/before will have a large effect on what the landscape will look like next year.
if it became clear that Trump was likely to win, or to be able to hold on in a coup situation, then that pressures Z to take a sub optimal deal… really to take the best deal he can get. But in that situation, Putin would probably hold on and hope to take all of Ukraine. (Despite that it would be a multi-year insurgency campaign after he’d win… Putin probably doesn’t realize this, but also doesn’t care cos it’s an “after I’m dead” problem)
if Putin was to assess that Trump was finished, then that would change things. Whether Putin would consider actually escalating in hopes to intimidate/split the US and EU… hard to determine. But he’d know that his dream of taking all of Ukraine was probably over, and want to negotiate for as much as he could get, if he thought that nuclear blackmail wasn’t possible.
Doubt but hope
All these talks are wishfull thinking. No motives for Russia to withdraw, stll no rockets are flying into Moscow.
The most resilient servant for the people.
Just in time to join Palestine in thier war against invasion.